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新华社北京12月20日电 题:人到中年,“好好活着”有那么难吗?——从“中兴工程师坠亡”看IT人士“中年危机”
  新华社“中国网事”记者吴茂辉【编辑:史建磊】
  42岁,硕士研究生学历,事业有成的研发工程师,一家8口人的顶梁柱……很难想象这样一个人会选择跳楼自尽。中兴通讯下属深圳中兴网信科技有限公司工程师欧某之死,引发舆论对IT界人群的关注。IT精英顶不住失业风险?人到中年该怎样才能“好好活着”?
  42岁工程师坠楼身亡

近日,网友“寒夜来客”在网上发文称,其丈夫于12月10日在深圳中兴通讯大楼跳楼身亡,并称与公司内部人际关系有关,“留下我和儿子、女儿和四个年迈的老人茫然失措。”
  文章引发社会广泛关注。据深圳市南山区警方介绍,经现场初步勘查,认定为高坠死亡,排除他杀,具体情况还在进一步调查中。中兴通讯方面确认,坠楼者为其子公司深圳中兴网信科技有限公司(以下简称“网信科技”)员工欧某。
  据报道,欧某出生于湖南省邵阳市武冈县一个农村家庭,今年42岁,从小学习成绩优秀,本科考入北京航空航天大学,毕业后曾在深圳华为公司工作8年,在此期间又通过自己的努力考取南开大学硕士研究生。2011年跳槽到网信科技,担任公司某研发组工程师。劳动合同显示,欧某与网信科技签订的合同期限为2014年9月1日至2019年8月31日,该合同为第一份合同后的续签合同。
  欧某之妻丁女士称,网信科技在大规模裁员过程中,对欧某进行劝退,并强行要求低价回购其股权,导致欧某最终走上绝路。
  对此,网信科技作出回应:“对该员工的不幸离世表示深切哀悼,对其家属痛失亲人深表同情。网信科技在第一时间成立善后处理小组,积极做好安抚工作。”并声明“网信科技经营活动一切正常,没有所谓的大规模裁员计划。”
  目前,警方仍在对此事进行调查,尚未作出书面调查结论。

警惕IT业者的“中年危机”
  “他为公司兢兢业业,公司对他……”“就算公司裁员也是正常,自杀行为太……”“这事提醒人们要不断学习,提高自我的不可替代性,才能不被淘汰。”……对于欧某的死,网友众说纷纭。
  由于案件仍在调查,关于欧某的死因尚无明确说法。但案件背后的一个事实却不容忽视,即近年来IT行业从业者的“中年危机”日益凸显。
  这种危机首先来自IT业的行业特征。通常情况下,一个人在一个行业干得越久,他的工作经验就越丰富,工作能力就越强。但IT行业却“没法积累经验”,必须依靠不断的创新才能创造价值,要求员工不断更新自己的知识储备。
  “聪明人扎堆竞争,既拼智力也拼体力,一个人干到中年如果还到不了管理岗位,那么被淘汰的风险很大。”北京市某大型知名软件公司首席技术官张朋(化名)说。
  这种危机还来自IT行业新的形势变化。张朋表示,不同于过去持续十多年的发展轨迹,随着人工智能等技术快速兴起,无论是通信技术业还是传统软件服务业,近年来都出现翻天覆地的变革,一些领域正在进行快速洗牌。这种变化,无疑加重了IT从业者的“中年危机”。
  “还有一点,不少IT从业者性格比较内向,不善与人相处但又非常要强。到了中年上不去管理岗位,又拼不过年轻人,最后硬生生把自己逼出一身病来。”张朋说。
  “你现在拥有的才是你从未拥有过的力量”
  “我无法在四五十岁的时候,去和一群二三十岁的人竞争,但站在公司的角度看,公司对我的投入明显不值得。”如网友“未来难以想象”所言,一些IT从业者意识到了危机,却也只能选择接受。但也有另一些人,用各种方式给出如何有效应对“中年危机”的答案。

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2017/12/22 13:18
八旬老人街头贴纸条求收养 称儿子同意其找人抚养 ...八旬老人街头贴纸条“求收养”

  退休金每月6000元不愿去养老院 老人称儿子同意自己找他人抚养

  12月20日,一则《儿子移民国外,八旬独居老人街头贴广告求“收养”:我不去养老院,想有个家》的视频在网上引发关注。据视频显示,天津南开区一位85岁的老人每月退休金6000元,在公交站贴纸条,寻求收养人,并在纸条上留有联系方式。...

--it is very hard and could happen to every one. our old lady neighbour let the son who divorced, no house living together. but the son hardly talking to his mom. recently we met him and told us after retires he won't all day with his mom, he has desiring living in the boat that i don't think he will because the boat needs maintainence. i frequently help the old lady to pick up mails/garbage tanks in snowy days or bad weather. his son won't help at all even he was not working. her daughter invited her by selling her house, she turned down. she has another son but just got baby at 50. 

if it happens to me i would contact chinese restaurants delivery meals. for safety i would modify the door so can thru a hole in stead of open the door to get meals.

usa does have delivery meals for the seniors pay by donation(base on your income from $0 to $5?  meal/day) but i won't like or use to.

i would spend time thru internet watching china programs and news, if eyes go to bad i would listen to chinese musics. 

I hope i can long stay in china before too late, and won't live in Shainghei city but country. if still have money i would select a poor family to help their kid but they will cook meals for me in return. when they don't need my help any more i would find another one and another.

蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2017-12-22 13:38 回覆:

老人每月退休金6000元身壮实,购物做饭家务都自己去做,没有慢性病...渴望有慈善爱心的人和家庭收养我养老送终...

--i met the mexcian old lady 81, she comes to swim every morning from 7-10Am. she is faty but quite healthy to me.  she teach me and others but hardly can speak english. she takes bus. 

we only go to warm water 3 times/week , each time for 1.5 hr. because every day would be too much for my husband ..exercise didn't reduce his pain. however my husband is very keep to himself won't social and active talking to others.

蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2017-12-22 14:03 回覆:

想有个家 

--before my husband marry me, he also wanted 有个家 because been lonely too long so let his youngist sister family living together withou pay a penny. in the end he found that never would be his 家 and his debts was bigger and bigger. his sister didn't cook, and her husband only cooked mecian sausages(very greasy type). And sometimes refused cooking for his 2 sons so my husband can't but bring them eat outside.  then he fed up and decided to marry a wife at his 50 as broken status.

my sister and brother invited me to live nearby them or her son in CA usa, i don't dream it because will one day i still can move near by them or her son wherever they move in the future? i prefer not living together because i saw many troubles. better not expect the young kids will help you mow the lawns or else. i told my sister save enough money to pay others clean your house garden. she has a dream to let younger son in Canada living together but she is not satisfied his wife-to-be.

it is very hard living together having different habits and too late to change bad habits. 

so the less dream the better.

蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2017-12-23 08:15 回覆:

when i knew the next year my husband would lose job, i did try help my 2nd brother, remind him this year we can help him living with us to get 4 points(he got 36 points already) for his SSR. I also remind him after that if my husband can't find job then we hardly can help him.

 he didn't come because he thought if he is forced to take any kind job he would rather till the last miniute.  then our cousin in china got 白血病 he called me to notify my mom how much he is going to donate. i tried to warn him that he has not much money left for himself, he quite upset and 挂断电话. i told my mom he can help others but if he needs help who will help him. in the end the cousin still died. while he was worse and worse and wanted come here. can't say no but i forced him to take training class and told him better change other easy gets job, not computer software any more because my husband told me he hardly can get IT job for so many years without job.

he won't listen and submitted couple resumes without response then quit. i told him my husband sumitted thousnds resume to get contract job. but he has no guts. when i tried to convince him to take cargo driver job that working one year hard working could get 4 point. he didn't want.

so he never working again. then back to china later came back and gave me pressure to let his girlfriend living together who can't speak english and didn't want to take barber shop job(my husband spent money sent her to the school learing). i just felt 小庙容不下大菩萨.

one day in the winter morning my husband very upset that he didn't close door 3 times. this time i didn't confort him any more. so he brought mom with him went to taiwan. fortunately my eldest brother willing to help him(certainly sister in law is not happy at all).

my conclusion is if one day you can bent down to looking for jobs in grocery store, car dealer.. that means you will work again like my husband.

this is why i point out those won't work this year will not work any more. so usa is short of employees including those part time jobs.


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跨境电信诈骗系列案侦破背后 遣返途中摧毁又一窝点  来源:法制日报 本报记者  李豪 【编辑:刘羡】
  不放过蛛丝马迹发现“印尼行骗”证据
北京二分检公诉人讲述“4·13”跨境电信诈骗系列案台前幕后
  “您的快递未查收……”
  “您个人信息已泄露,如需报案,请按*键……”
  “您涉嫌经济犯罪,需提供财产明细,请按#键转接检察院……”
  正是通过“语音包”群发、自动转接等方式,北京、江苏、山东等地的185名居民在2014年至2016年间,被身处印度尼西亚、肯尼亚的电信诈骗组织先后诈骗2900余万元。
  12月21日,我国首起从境外将台湾犯罪嫌疑人押解回大陆进行司法审判的电信诈骗案,即由北京市人民检察院第二分院依法审查并提起公诉的“4·13”跨境电信诈骗系列案(下称“4·13”案件)一审宣判,张凯闵、林金德、张家祥等85名被告人分别被判处有期徒刑15年到有期徒刑1年9个月不等的刑罚。本案公诉人之一、北京二分检金融犯罪检察部副主任孙晴详解了这起大要案。
  遣返途中摧毁又一窝点
  2016年11月2日,“4·13”案件正式移送到北京二分检进行审查。
  对“4·13”案件,最高人民检察院和北京市检察机关高度重视——最高检公诉厅和北京市检察院公诉部门全程指导督办,北京二分检主管公诉的副检察长张朝霞担任第一公诉人,并依托金融检察、网络与电信犯罪检察等专业化办案团队,形成了“4·13”案件公诉组。
  检察官发现,这起案件的发案颇具戏剧性。2014年11月29日,肯尼亚首都内罗毕一幢门牌为46号的别墅突发火灾。警察救助时发现,别墅内有大量电话、语音网关、电脑等物品,怀疑这是一个电信诈骗窝点。肯尼亚警方认为,犯罪嫌疑人涉嫌触犯该国非法架设电信设备罪,将犯罪嫌疑人全部抓获,其中23名中国台湾犯罪嫌疑人(其中1人另案处理)、13名中国大陆犯罪嫌疑人。2016年4月8日,在对“46号窝点”的张家祥等36名犯罪嫌疑人进行遣返过程中,肯尼亚警方通过犯罪嫌疑人的奇怪举动顺藤摸瓜,破获另一个跨境电信诈骗窝点——“201号窝点”,将张凯闵、林金德等22名中国台湾犯罪嫌疑人、19名中国大陆犯罪嫌疑人抓获。
  经协调,肯尼亚警方将“201号窝点”和“46号窝点”的77名犯罪嫌疑人、物证均交由中国大陆警方,共同遣返回国。2016年4月13日,经公安部指定负责侦查的北京市公安局海淀分局,将77名犯罪嫌疑人押解回京,故该案被称之为“4·13”案件。
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2017-12-22 11:40 回覆:
公诉组两次退回补侦
  办案中,“4·13”案件公诉组对证据审查极其严格,不因办案时间紧迫而降低证据标准。
  公诉组注重发挥审前程序的主导作用,按照程序和实体两方面证据情况作了细致梳理,先后两次退回补充侦查。第一次补充侦查后,公诉组引导侦查机关再次调取关键证据。最终,形成补充侦查卷21册,为案件的审查和提起公诉奠定了坚实基础。
  “4·13”跨境电信诈骗案卷宗的电子证据十分重要,对公安机关与检察机关而言,难点在于证明电子证据的“无污染性”,即原始的、真实的证据属性。
  在甄别电子证据的过程中,公安人员和检察官在“201窝点”扣押的电脑数据恢复中,发现了一些特殊的“返乡订票记录单”。正是不放过这些蛛丝马迹,让“201窝点”相关诈骗分子的“印尼行骗”犯罪记录进入司法视野。
  检察官审查发现,去肯尼亚之前,“201窝点”负责人及其部分成员,曾经在印度尼西亚从事过两次电信诈骗活动。一次是夏天、一次是冬天,在印尼不同的地方从事诈骗,涉案金额高达2300余万元。
  继续查办中,另外11名曾经在印尼参与电信诈骗后返回大陆未参与肯尼亚诈骗的犯罪嫌疑人,被公安机关、检察机关锁定。经北京警方发布通缉令,11名犯罪嫌疑人陆续被缉捕归案。
  “印尼行骗”证据发现后,如何确定被害人,成为摆在办案人员面前的重大课题。
  孙晴说:“我们通过从窝点扣押的通话记录、犯罪组织内部软件聊天记录中发现被害人名字等信息、被害人的转账凭证等证据,确认该被害人与犯罪组织之间的关联性和同一性。”
  据此,被诈骗2900余万元的沈某、苑某等185人,被公诉组确认为被害人,最终获法院判决支持。对被害人的准确认定,既是庭审准确认定犯罪事实的基础,又切实维护了被害人的合法权益。
  多媒体示证有力指控
  7月18日至20日,由北京市人民检察院第二分院依法审查并提起公诉的“4·13”案件在北京市第二中级人民法院公开开庭审理。
  公诉组充分发挥指控与证明犯罪的主体作用,庭审前制定了周密的出庭预案,拟定的“三纲一书”多达10万字;先后3次通过庭前会议,解决了非法证据排除等程序问题,与辩护人就举证方式达成一致。85名被告人中,除自聘律师的,司法机关均为其指定了法律援助律师。
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2017-12-22 11:45 回覆:
法庭上,法官围绕起诉指控的事实进行了调查,公诉组运用多媒体等形式出示了从肯尼亚诈骗窝点起获电脑中提取、恢复的聊天记录,“话术单”文档,对窝点提取的网络电话单等电子数据、相关书证、物证及被害人陈述等证据,控辩双方充分质证。随后,控辩双方就辩护人提出的犯罪集团、部分被告人的责任、量刑情节等问题充分发表了意见。
  公诉方借助专业化办案团队优势,充分发挥指控和证明犯罪的主体作用,指出:张凯闵、林金德、张家祥等85人构成诈骗罪的事实清楚,证据确实充分,依法应当认定其为电信诈骗犯罪集团,且在境外冒充司法机关工作人员实施诈骗、犯罪数额特别巨大、情节恶劣,社会危害严重,理应依法严肃惩处。
  在最后陈述阶段,各被告人向法官、检察官、被害人表示忏悔,深刻认识到自己的犯罪行为对社会的危害,通过司法程序接受了法制宣传教育,部分被告人表示要积极赔偿。部分台湾被告人表达了对大陆司法机关办案和审判公平公正的感受,表示认罪悔罪。
  “本案的依法查处,为我们今后办理此类案件积累了宝贵经验,也彰显了国家依法整治和打击电信诈骗犯罪活动、坚决维护人民群众合法权利的力度和决心。”孙晴说。
  本报北京12月21日讯

--do not believe those bastards, they won't stop to to get easy money and they hardly can find decent jobs andnot willing working hard. this is why more and more tombs raiders and 跨境电信诈骗. only death penalty could reduce no other ways.
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2017-12-22 12:12 回覆:
1/4/17 we paied to J.P.M chase $1359.99 because we received 2nd mail declaring company over paied in 2015. we are not sure whether it is fraud or not, and you can't call the company to find out because hardly any one pick up the phone or transfer one to another then no result. my husband has no desire to call because the huge pain.
can't believe it, my husband was promoted as S.VP the hour rate was higher than VP but don't understand why over-paied. unfortunately his boss from HK already left the company already so can't verify what's going on.
later months we received another mail declaring my husband owed  $54297.59  because it is so obviously "fraud" we didn't fall the traps except  惊吓.
last month? we got called to collect ATI physical theorpy bill, i told the lady we already paied ATG 4/8 $435 5/9 $218 6/7 $218, they charged total amount almost twice. And when we tried to contact the company thru searching websites it's gone. same business name was not the physical theory related. we did file complaints about ATI but we all knew usa lousy system is very lousy and spoil the rotten business companies. the worst thing about lousy usa system is no police would help you or they declared it's not their jobs.

most time we would ingnore the phone call and email but still could be 诈骗. 
china people is lucky but however read bad news and tries hard to verify before you believe it.
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2017-12-22 12:21 回覆:

usa continue accuses N. Korean did  诈骗 but i can't see it from N.Korean but usa itself.

did usa ever try hard to help victims to catch those  电信诈骗 or rotten business especially physical theorpy? or improve the lousy system to reduce   电信诈骗 by debt collect must thru mail not by phones, emails, and must provide direct phone number for people have doubts? none. 

蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2017-12-22 12:26 回覆:
when i tried to sort out whether there are duplicate fee charges in the past by other physical theorpy companies, hospitals/clinics ...the person stole many our medical-related statements so can't verify the frauds. 

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2017/12/21 03:56

myself is very stick to the same company won't for salary/position jump to other company until my boss sold me out many times then quit even CEO's brother requested me to stay i turned down. because my loyalty i also got chance to be president's and later V.P special assistant, and later be sales.

i totally agreed 这种危机首先来自IT业的行业特征。通常情况下,一个人在一个行业干得越久,他的工作经验就越丰富,工作能力就越强。但IT行业却“没法积累经验”,必须依靠不断的创新才能创造价值,要求员工不断更新自己的知识储备。that's why i insist to become sales in stead of software project leader after my 1st big project as wine automation which used very lousy MITOS.

when i found out other software engineers using windows and all i knew about DOS,  MITOS, not mention those c, cobol, fortran, RPG, dBase later turbo C...totally wasted i have to learn like a beginner again. 

my husband always worked as IT manager but the bloody wars lost his job, when we both took IT training class i told my husband i would rather be real estate agent but he against it. i did get high scores in oracle(database-related jobs are quite welcome in usa) but when he got contract jobs i have no desire to work for IT companies because i knew it would destroy my health. whenever there is a bug i would over-night working to solve it.

蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2017-12-21 04:46 回覆:

未雨绸缪,科学理财

--it is very important to all employees, i kept warning china people do not over spend especially when it is the best time. you should save every penny and also should spend time to 理财... at least you should spend time to estimate how much you can save for the future life. myself using MONEY software for many years. i believe china has much better money software.

before we married my husband told me he didn't have any savings but would work till 90+ like his grand-father. i never believe it, when i found out he had huge credit cards debts and can't save $3000/mon (he told me) at all, i spent $1/day till paied off his debts (certainly he still can eat outside but once/weekdays).  those 3 years were the best time before the bloody wars, i was so lucky in time solved his serious problem.

my husband is a responsible man, kept looking jobs, we both even tried to work for car dealer and Jewel grocery store, we both got life insurance certificates but can't work for umbrella company that his colleage's father declared it is a rat company. 

finally he got contract jobs, and when he became Senior V.P. at 67 i told him better working one more year so can tell other people his final job title. didn't i smart enough?

in fact i did tell my husband if he wants to retire earlier at 62, it's fine to me but have to continue save penny. he didn't want that kind of living so continue worked till 69.

蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2017-12-21 04:58 回覆:

men are much weak, so as wife should manage well to avoid suicide happening. my husband told my 2nd brother because I forced him to attend training classes together(1st time was ife insurance, 2nd time was IT training) so he can work again.

in usa if you left company including laid off, if your investment under certain amounts you have to sell out too. i'm not sure about china's company rules.

my husband wanted to get cash so can reduce no jobs pressure, it is me disallowed except IBM company illegally? forced them to get cash from pension plan. i don't think IBM got sued because didn't receive any compensarion. IBM was not the only one at that period time.


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2017/12/21 03:30
未雨绸缪,科学理财。39岁的李亮(化名)曾在日本索尼公司工作十年,技术水平达到索尼公司最高级别,去年回国后,到北京一家全景相机研发公司担任工程师。“收入比之前少了一半,好在我以前早早买了房。”李亮说,他深知这个行业的风险,于早些年趁房价还没这么高的时候,在广州和东京均买了房子,“就算将来失业,也不至于一无所有。”
  积极社交,拓展人脉。43岁的吴国雄曾在深圳从事游戏开发工作,2013年公司裁员时被劝退。但他并不感到丧气,回到广西老家做起与IT行业完全不沾边的茶叶生意,如今收入并不低于游戏开发的收入。“我是和朋友合伙开的茶叶厂,幸亏以前没有一头闷在电脑编程里。”吴国雄说,是良好的人脉关系帮他渡过“中年危机”。
  不断学习,充实自己。40岁的张朋有着十多年IT从业经历,尽管已经成为公司高管,但其工作强度与一线从业人员相比有过之无不及。“我每周工作和学习的时间超过100个小时,即便这样也还怕自己跟不上形势。”
  不过,作为一个心理学名词,“中年危机”对应的更多是人的心态。受访者普遍认为,应对“中年危机”,最根本的办法还是要学会调整心态。李亮说,他之所以回国,是因为情场失意,同时也是为了照顾身患癌症的母亲。提到欧某的事,李亮坦言自己也有极端压抑的时候,每当那些情绪来袭,他就用电影《悟空传》里的一句台词激励自己:“想想你这一世走过的路,遇到的人,你放不下的这一切,你现在拥有的才是你从未拥有过的力量。”
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2017-12-22 14:34 回覆:

how did i 渡过“中年危机"? after I left company, found out job adv. limit under 35 years old, i almost wanted to suicide but then the other competitor company sales man(didn't know him but he saw me on EEE project bidding site, i was just one person and they had 10? people(sales and engineers) attended i beat up them and won but sold out by my boss... he wanted me work for him.

later i worked for different companies, one was same company i worked introduced me to his couple friends to make proposals, however didn't get pay at all.

another Simens sales(not familiar) introduced me to work for IT company. 

then i met my same company boss who left and runs his own IT company. till then my husband knew me(he worked for IBM global service dept. to diagnose system bugs for foreign countries including taiwan) when he found out i was working so late and asked me whether i married or not. so....

both IT companies boss in the end wanted me to be software engineer again(they are very lack of senior software engineer) so i left.

the last one was cosmetic-related company, not high end at all but i was going to marry. 

for both of  us thru marriage 渡过“our 中年危机". 

蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2017-12-22 15:13 回覆:

when did i have 危机 sense?

i always help my family, my salary all gave to my mom, not even opened, until my father angerd at me that all time worked in company and didn't help house jobs(he never requested my eldest brother). we had a couple quarrels so my mom decided (later she told me it's sister suggested) forced me move out(fortunately my eldest brother helped me to pay downpayment). when i left company none help me except sometimes my mom worried me and invited me ate home but wanted me do all cooking and clean house jobs(my eldest brother married but wife is not healthy). i was not in good mood so tried hard to turn down later. i never like house jobs why for a free meal  have to do all?

my sister did run a 2-people export business company but won't allow me working for them. i won't complaint her because different field, and too late to learn.

until i got IT jobs since then i save every penny. i used to give very good red money, gifts to my parents and sister's sons but no more. because I got very strong 危机 sense that i have no problem help my family but when i need i can't get any help in return.

after i found my husband's broken status the 1st thing i did is to get rid of his younger sister family. And never throw anything especially clothings that some given by my sister quite earlier i went there by her request because she had a trip to taiwan, needing me to take care her sons.

i still helped my mom living with us, and i was forced to borrow money from my younger brother to buy a used mini van for mom(she hated stay home weekdays). And when we retuened the money my mom forced me to pay 4?% interest rate higher than the bank's. 

the earlier  having 危机 sense the better. And try not to rely others but save every peny to pay others working for you when you need. 

蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2017-12-22 15:15 回覆:
certainly without my husband i can't help my mom in usa. And that is why even the person abuses my body we still together.
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2017-12-22 15:27 回覆:

after we returned the money, one day my sister-in-law saying in the future better have no relative borrow money again. it gave me a heavy stimulation, and i swore never borrow money ever.

behind my back they called me 小气. but now they are worry their future living expenses but i don't. when i supported Trump my sister-in-law was very upset at me because they paied less than $100 as my brother is unemployee.