Hsu Tzu-chiang has been sentenced to death eight times over the past 14 years in a case human rights lawyers say is a textbook example of what’s wrong with the death penalty system in Taiwan. Celia Llopis-Jepsen spoke with him for 20 minutes at the Taipei Detention Center on Friday

人權律師表示，徐自強在過去的14年裡歷經8次死刑判決，而這個個案正是可以用來檢視台灣死刑制度有什麼問題的經典事例。記者Celia Llopis-Jepsen在週五（2009年12月18日）和徐自強在台北看守所（以下簡稱「北所」）與談20分鐘。

On the street outside Taipei Detention Center are small food stalls selling large dishes of food. Full meals, not snacks. The dishes aren’t for passersby; they’re for inmates. Family and friends can bring a meal to the people they visit.

販售著大份量餐點的攤販林立在北所外的街道；他們賣的是一整份的餐點，而不是小零食。那些餐點不是給來往的過客買來吃的，而是作來給獄所的收容者吃的。人們可以在這邊買一些餐點進去探視他們的親人與朋友。

This detention center, in Tucheng (土城), Taipei County, is now famous for housing former president Chen Shui-bian (陳水扁), who has been held here since November last year, but I’m here to see inmate No. 1121, Hsu Tzu-chiang (徐自強), the defendant in a 14-year-old case who was sentenced to death for the eighth time last week.

坐落在台北縣土城市的北所，目前正因收容著前總統陳水扁而聲名大譟，他從去年的11月就被關押至今。而筆者今天是來探視編號1121的收容人－徐自強。他是一名歷經14年的刑事被告，並在上週被第8度宣判死刑。

Hsu has spent the past 13 years locked up in this facility.

徐自強被關押在此，至今已經耗費了13年的歲月。

Although it’s called a detention center, the facility could also be called a prison. It houses people who are being detained while their trials proceed (such as Hsu and Chen), as well as prisoners whose sentences have been finalized. Taiwan has 20 such detention centers nationwide.

儘管這個地方被稱為「看守所」，但毋寧稱為「監獄」也許會更適合。它囚禁著一些像徐自強及陳水扁這樣還在審理程序中的在押刑事被告，就如同已經被判決定讞的監獄受刑人一樣。像這樣的看守所，在全台灣總共設有20個。

The inmates live two to a cell, less than 2 ping (6.6m²) in size. Hsu has changed cellmates many times over the years — each time one is executed, a new one moves in.

這些收容者住在一個2坪大（約6.6平方公尺）的牢房裡。在過去的這些年裡，徐自強已經換了好幾名室友了──只要有人被執行死刑，就有新的人再搬進來。

Executions are not announced in advance. The prisoner is simply collected from his cell one evening and taken to an execution facility adjacent to the detention center. With a prosecutor from the Supreme Prosecutor’s Office as witness, he or she is laid down on a mattress face down and shot in the heart from the back. Those who want to donate their organs are shot in the back of the neck just below the brain. Immediate family are only informed afterward. Taiwan now has 43 inmates awaiting execution, but under an unofficial moratorium, the country has not executed anyone for four years.

死刑執行並不會預先告知。受刑人只會在前一晚從牢房被帶到一處集合，並在隔天帶到毗鄰北所的刑場。在最高法院檢察署的檢察官見證下，受刑人會躺在面朝下的趴在棉被上，死刑執行者會從他們的背上對著心臟開槍；至於那些想要在死後捐出器官的人，則是會在頸背對著大腦的底部開槍。而受刑人的家屬只會在死刑執行之後才被告知。台灣目前有43名死刑犯在等候執行，但在民間力推暫緩死刑執行之下，台灣已經有4年沒有執行死刑。

Hsu himself was on death row for five years and faced imminent execution during that period. But the sentence wasn’t carried out, and in 2005 his case was reopened after the Council of Grand Justices ruled one aspect of it was unconstitutional — his lawyers were not allowed to cross-examine his codefendants, one of whom later retracted his testimony against Hsu. The case is now at the Supreme Court.

徐自強已經住在死囚牢房五年了。在過去這段期間裡，他也曾多次面臨可能執行死刑的危機。但判決並未被執行，因為在2005年大法官會議針對這個案子作出違憲的解釋──當時他的律師不被允許交互詰問本案的共同被告，其中一名還曾在之後撤回他對徐自強的證言。這個案子目前已經上訴到最高法院。

I accompanied staffers from the Judicial Reform Foundation (司法改革基金會) and the Taiwan Alliance to End the Death Penalty (廢除死刑推動聯盟) who went to the detention center on Friday to visit him, along with another defendant in an equally controversial death penalty case, Chiou Ho-shun (邱和順).

筆者與司法改革基金會的工作人員在週五（2009年12月18日）前往北所探視徐自強，同行還有廢除死刑推動聯盟的朋友，一起探視另一名被判決死刑且同樣具有爭議的刑事被告──邱和順。

At the reception desk, we present our IDs and apply to see inmates Nos. 1121 and 1152. After receiving two slips of paper authorizing our visit, we walk through a gate into the detention center and hand the slips to a guard, who leads us to another building, where we sit and wait. Ten minutes later, a second guard shows up. He leads us in drizzling rain through another gate to a building where we must lock up our belongings, present our IDs again and be searched with metal detectors. They check our temperatures as a precaution against H1N1 flu. I am not allowed to bring a recorder, or even a pen and paper.

在接待區，我們出示身份證明文件，並申請探視編號1121及1152的收容人。在拿到兩張准許探視的紙條之後，我們走經過圍牆的大門，進入台北看守所，並遞交准許探視的紙條給門口的警衛。他領我們到一旁的休息室，我們在那邊坐著等待。莫約十分鐘之後，第二個警衛前來。在濛濛細雨中，他引領我們走進另一棟建築物的大門，在那裡我們必須把身上的所有物品鎖在寄物櫃裡，再次出示身份證明文件之後，還要接受金屬探測器的檢查。為了預防H1N1新型流感，他們也會幫我們量額溫。筆者被禁止攜帶錄音器材，甚至連紙筆都不可以。

We are then led into a courtyard with basketball courts, through another gate and finally into a third building. The room is divided into two sections, one for visitors and one for prisoners. We sit and wait for Hsu and Chiou. I will speak to Hsu, together with Judicial Reform Foundation staffer Tony Yang (楊宗澧). Two others will speak to Chiou. Yang promises to translate from Taiwanese, which Hsu speaks better than Mandarin.

之後，看守員引領我們走經過一個有著藍球場的天井庭院，經過另一道圍牆的大門之後，我們最後到達第三棟建築物。那間房間分成兩個部份，一邊是來訪的探視者，另一邊則是受刑人。我們坐下並等待徐自強與邱和順的到來。我和司法改革基金會的工作人員楊宗澧一起與徐自強講話，另外兩個人則和邱和順對談。楊宗澧答應幫我翻譯台語，因為徐自強的台語說的比國語好。

Hsu and Chiou are led in by guards. My first impression is of their smiles, which are surprisingly warm and catch me off guard. Both look happy to leave their cell for a 20-minute visit, happy to be in each other’s company for a few moments, happy to have visitors and some human contact, even if they’ve never met us before.

徐自強及邱和順被看守員帶進來。我第一印象是來自他們出乎我意料之外的溫暖笑容，我沒想到會這樣！他們兩個人看起來都很開心，開心著離開牢房來這裡接受20分鐘的探視，開心著與彼此有短暫幾分鐘的相處，開心著有訪客以及能與一般人的互動；儘管我們彼此未曾相識。

Just last week I watched Hsu’s mother break down at the High Court in Taipei after her son was found guilty again. Hsu’s lawyers say there is no evidence against him and that he was sentenced based solely on the testimony of others.

就在上星期，徐自強再度被判決有罪之後，我在台北高等法院看到他的媽媽崩潰痛哭。徐自強的律師說沒有任何證據指向他，但他依舊只因其他共同被告的證詞而被作出有罪判決。

Hsu seems glad to chat a little. He sits separated from us by two layers of glass with metal bars sandwiched between them. The three of us — Hsu, Yang and I — talk by speaking into telephone receivers.

徐自強高興的與我們談話。他坐在我們對面，中間有兩層玻璃及金屬條隔著。我們三人──徐自強、楊宗澧及我──靠用電話筒對話。

He tells us “A-bian” (阿扁, the former president) is in his detention block. He sees him sometimes at exercise time. Hsu is allowed to stroll or exercise in the courtyard for 20 or 30 minutes a day, unless it’s raining, which, given Taipei’s climate, happens all too often.

他告訴我們阿扁（陳前總統）跟他住在同一棟。他在幾次的運動時間看過阿扁。徐自強每天可以在天井的放封區散步或運動20或至30分鐘，除了下雨天之外；但台北的天氣卻常常這樣。

Yang lets Hsu know that a reporter from Al-Jazeera is interested in his case and might come to interview him: Please don’t turn him down. Hsu nods. The Judicial Reform Foundation and other groups have been trying for years to draw attention to Hsu’s case and others like it.

楊宗澧讓徐自強知道半島電台對他的案子有興趣，而且有可能會來訪問他，請他別拒絕。徐自強點頭答應了。司法改革基金會及許多團體為了提升徐自強及其他類似案件的能見度，已經作了許多年的努力及嘗試。

I ask Hsu about his daily life. He likes to read, he said — especially novels. Anything to pass the time. There’s a library in the prison, but usually he reads what his family brings him. Relatives are also allowed to bring their loved ones clothes and, perhaps best of all, food. Asked about the quality of the food in the detention center, Hsu says: “Well, we get to eat our fill.”

我詢問徐自強一些關於他的日常生活細節。他說他喜歡閱讀，尤其是小說。任何東西都可以殺時間。獄所裡面有圖書館，但是他讀的書通常都是他家屬帶來給他的。親屬也可以帶來他們的摯愛所穿衣物，以及另一些也許是世上最好的東西－－食物。被問到看守所內的飲食品質，徐自強回答：「呃，我們只求能吃飽就好了！」

Hsu’s relatives see him when they can, but visits can last only 20 minutes. His son is at university in Kaohsiung and can’t come so often, but his mother stops by regularly. Today the NGO staffers have called her in advance to make sure they don’t visit on the same day, as Hsu is allowed just one visit per day.

徐自強的親屬會在他們可以的時候來探視他，但是訪視只能有20分鐘。他的兒子在高雄讀大學，所以無法常常去看他，但他的媽媽會定期去探視他。今天NGO工作者已經有先打電話給徐自強的媽媽，以確保我們不會在同一天前來探視，因為徐自強一天只能接受一次的訪客。

Hsu also has a small TV in his cell that his family gave him. He saw the news about himself last week, he tells us. He watched his mother crying uncontrollably, collapsed on the ground outside the courthouse after the judgment, surrounded by gawking photographers.

徐自強也有一部小電視在他的房間裡，那是他的家人帶給他的。他跟我們說，他上週有看到一些關於自己的新聞。他看到他媽媽在判決之後無法抑止的大聲痛哭，並崩潰跌坐在法院外的地板上，週遭還圍著許多獵取畫面的記者。

“I thought this time the judgment would be different,” he says quietly.

「我以為這次的判決會不一樣。」他平靜的說著。

The disappointment is painful, he says, but seeing his mother collapsed outside the courthouse crying for him was worse.

「所以當下的失望是會心痛沒錯…」他說；但看到他媽媽崩潰跌坐在法院外的地板上時，卻是更加的難受！

“I’m not afraid anymore that they’re going to execute me. I hurt more for my mother,” he says.

「對於即將逼近的死刑執行，我一點都不畏懼！但我只是更加傷了我媽媽的心！」他說著。

Suddenly a voice recording breaks into our conversation: “Your visiting time is almost up.”

突然之間，有個錄音廣播插入我們的對話：「您的訪視時間即將結束。」

We sit awkwardly for a moment as it repeats, wondering what else to say in the time we have left.

在錄音廣播不斷重複的同時，我們坐著尷尬對望，思忖著在剩餘的時間裡，我們還能再聊些什麼。

I ask Hsu if this is what it’s like when he meets with his lawyers, too.

我詢問徐自強，當他跟律師見面的時候，是否也是這樣？

“No, my lawyers get to meet me in the same room. Sometimes they need my signature for things,” he says.

「不是。律見的時候，我的律師可以跟我在同一個房間裡見面。有時候他們會需要我在一些文件上簽名。」他說著。

But his mother and son are not as lucky. For them, Hsu is as distant as he is for us: a voice over a phone receiver, behind bars and glass, beyond reach of their embrace.

但他的媽媽跟兒子卻沒有如此幸運。對他們來說，徐自強與他們之間的距離就如同他與我們之間的距離一樣遙遠：只有一個透過話筒傳來的聲音，在層層柵欄與玻璃之後，在那個彼此的擁抱所無法可及之處。

The voice recording cuts in again: “Your visiting time is up.”

「時間已到。」錄音廣播再度中斷我們的談話。

The phone cuts off and the guards come back into the room.

電話線路中斷，看守員也再度走進那個房間。

Hsu gives a small wave of goodbye as he and Chiou are led back to their cells.

就在他及邱和順要被帶走的同時，徐自強對我們小小地揮手致別…。

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~~ 法官從未曾以應有之「無知之幕」的基本精神、更以「心證已成」

之方式違反憲法第二十三條所定之比例原則之下進行..... ~~   

他們是 「證隨心生，輕而易舉」！  

當然 -   違反「正當法律程序」的審判是：「無效裁判」！

打抱不平,  加油 ~~ 加油 ~~ 加油 ~~ !!!