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      在社會壓力和國民黨預備開鍘之下,李慶安終於聲明退出國民黨。此案接下來會如何發展?

      AIT回函明確指出,「李慶安,出生日期1959年1月17日,在國務院紀錄中是擁有美國護照的美國公民,且並無喪失美國公民的紀錄」,所以李慶安現在依然擁有美國國籍是沒有爭議的。李慶安現在想爭取的,是請求國務院依據她在外國政府服公職的行為,判定其已經喪失美國國籍,並追溯到她十四年前就職市議員之日。 


      李慶安確實可以要求美國國務院這麼做。根據「美國移民與國籍法」第349條,美國人民如果在外國政府擔任需要宣誓效忠的職務,美國國務院「得」取消其國籍。但這個程序並不是像李慶安宣稱的「自動生效」,而是要根據該法第358條,由美國駐外領事館向當事人確定其真的有放棄美國國籍的意願。當事人必須填寫一份書面表格和自願放棄國籍聲明,再由領事館送到美國國務院審查。如果核准,則國務院將發證明給領事館轉交當事人,並另發一份證明給美國總檢察長備案。

     
      由於李慶安始終沒有辦理過這些程序,所以她的美國籍當然還是有效。現在李慶安必須到美國駐外領事館填寫表格和自願放棄國籍聲明,由於台灣AIT不具領事館地位,她就必須像陳師孟一樣就近到泰國去辦理。

     
       李慶安的人可能已經在泰國。但問題是,就算她趕得及在一月三十一日(立委就職一年內)以前取得喪失美國籍的證明文件,也一樣不符合我國國籍法的規定。根據國籍法,「中華民國國民兼具外國國籍者,擬任本條所定應受國籍限制之公職時,應於就 (到) 職前辦理放棄外國國籍,並於就 (到) 職之日起一年內,完成喪失該國國籍及取得證明文件」。所以,就職前的辦理,以及就職後一年內提出證明文件,是法所明定的兩個要件。李慶安沒有在就職前辦理是很明確的事實,就算她能讓美國國務院用特急件處理,她這一屆立委的就職依然無效。

     
      如果國務院判定李慶安十四年前就已喪失美國籍,則又如何?答案是,沒有用。國務院的追溯時間點只是李慶安和美國政府的法律關係發生改變的時間點。例如,李慶安可以要求美國國稅局退還她十四年來繳的稅款,但美國國稅局也可以要求李慶安返還十四年來享受的社會福利和健保支出,更可以根據「1996年健保可攜性及責任性法案」第511條規定,追繳李慶安在喪失國籍時間點以前十年內的所得稅。但這一切都不影響李慶安和中華民國政府的法律關係。李慶安十四年來五次就職時都有美國籍,故其所犯之「詐欺罪」和「使公務員文書登載不實罪」都屬既遂犯,不會因為美國國務院現在的追溯而使犯罪事實消失。她現在唯一能主張的,就是「詐欺罪」和「使公務員文書登載不實罪」的追訴時效都是十年,希望使她第一次和第二次就職時的犯罪行為不受追訴,並以「不諳美國法律規定」為由減輕其刑。

     
       依法論法,李慶安難逃刑責,退不退黨或國民黨處不處分都不重要。她會不會滯留國外不歸反而才是重點。

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jwy
To Me
2009/01/05 09:46

Well, I guess you just need to read U.M. immigration law more fully and carefully. There have been court cases where the court stopped IRS to collect income tax dues from certain people, whose U.S. citisenship were retroactively revoked by the courts per their requests.

As part of executive branch, the State Department will have to issue a new statement to state the changes, if the court so asks. The United States is a country that is ruled by law, and the State Department has no choice by to follow court rulings.

I don't see how my legal opinion has anything to do with blue or green. Ms. Lee simply has a legal right to ask the court to make such a retroactive ruling in her favor.


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悠悠眾口難道都是放屁?
2009/01/05 07:35
為什麼您已分析的這麼清楚,
比任何法官都還公正的道理,
那些人就是視而不見?
橫材拿入灶,
硬要強姦蒙著眼的正義女神,
悠悠眾口難道都是放屁?

me
to jwy
2009/01/05 05:16
to: jwy

Your argument was just like Lee Qing Ann's. Had US said: The case is closed? If they did say that, then do you really think they will issue another statement? No. They won't.

The ball is in Lee Qing Ann's court. It's up to her to prove that she had received court order of relinquishing her citizenship. I don't think she has anything to prove that.

The case is simply a joke. Unfortunately, there are people in Taiwan still believe in Lee Qing Ann's status. I guess "right or wrong" is not important in Taiwan. It's the color that matters! If you are BLUE, then you are right, regardless! I simply  cannot believe how a person can have such THICK skin like Lee Qing ann! It's really unbelievable! It's so unreal!



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法所明定的兩個要件
2009/01/04 17:41
假如國務院判定李慶安十四年前就已喪失美國籍﹐中華民國又憑哪條法律證明李慶安自1994年以來都有美國國籍呢﹖因為李慶安十四年來五次就職時都沒有美國籍﹐而是以每年都按時繳稅的中華民國公民的身份任職的﹔那又哪來的“詐欺罪”和“使公務員文書登載不實罪”的犯罪事實 

假如國務院判定李慶安十四年前就已喪失美國籍﹔那麼唯一的事實是﹕如李慶安自始至終所言﹐她在就職時沒有美國國籍﹐她自1994年開始﹐唯一有的國籍就是中華民國國籍。

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但根據國籍法,「中華民國國民兼具外國國籍者,擬任本條所定應受國籍限制之公職時,應於就 (到) 職前辦理放棄外國國籍,並於就 (到) 職之日起一年內,完成喪失該國國籍及取得證明文件」法所明定的兩個要件.

她自1994年起,她只滿足第一條件,未滿足第二條件.

你再仔細讀讀國籍法.



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真的有心早就辦完了
2009/01/04 12:36

To ZZZ:

I agree with you. I would have filed paper work to fomally give up the U.S. citizenship 14 years ago if I were Ms. Lee.

From a pure legal standpoint, however, what Ms. Lee has done (working for another government  with pay) also consttitutes another way of giving up her U.S. citizenship as provided in the U.S. immigration law. As result, Ms. Lee has a perfect legal right to ask a U.S. immigration court to cancel her U.S. citizenship, retroactively back to 14 years ago. I do not know if Ms. Lee has done so or not, I just want to point out her legal right under the law of United States. If Ms. Lee would get the court to retroactively cancel her U.S. citizenship, then she has not violated any law in Taiwan, hasn't she?


zzz
真的有心早就辦完了
2009/01/04 11:23
 
如果真的有心要放棄美國國籍,這些手續早就辦完了,不會混到現在。

jwy
To: Me
2009/01/02 13:39

Under the U.S. immigration law, Ms. Lee has a perfect right to ask the court RIGHT NOW, to declare that she has 'voluntarily" given up her citizenship for 14 years, based on the fact that she has worked for another country with pay contineously for 14 years. The court is very likely to grant her wishes.

The State Department has NO power to grant or cancel citizenship for anybody, it can only certify if a given person is an U.S. citizenship or not, based on its records at the time. When State Department said that "this case is closed", it simply meant that "this case is closed for noe, unless there are changes coming up as ordered by the court". Since United States is a country ruled by law, so the State Department will have to issue another statement to certify that Ms. Lee indeed has voluntarily given up her citizenship retroactively back to 14 years ago, if the court has so determined.


me
who is right?
2009/01/02 02:31

To: jwy

I think it's you that is all wrong.

US has indicated that

1. US has records to indicate that Lee is a US citizen.

2. No records had shown that Lee has given up her US citizenship.

3. This case is closed.

It is so clear that the ball is in Lee Qing Ann's court. It's up to her to show any proof that she had given up US citizenship.

Lee's tactic is to wait indefinitely for US state department's response. She is considering all Taiwanese are all fool! 23million will wait patitently, indefinitely for state department's response,while she is aware that no response will be issued in regards to her citizenship. In the mean time, she can continute to pocket more $$$$$ and wire the money into her acccount in Maryland, USA.

I don't think there will be any response from US state department, since they had indicated "The case is closed"


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樓下下的 jwy 說對了
2009/01/01 18:59
李確實可以在美國的聯邦法院提出確認無美國國籍之訴。然後拿沒有美國國籍的判決向國務院請求十四年前即放棄美國國籍的登記。只要有法院判決,最後登記也會成功。

放棄國籍是當 ROC 政府官員、民意代表的時候就生效的。就算李矇混用美國護照進入美國,別人也可以告發。


反而是 2185 的貪污啊。


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昏君重申不干涉司法
WC(wenchiehl) 於 2009-01-02 21:51 回覆:
貪污就法辦啊, 法院怎麼判就怎麼判, 什麼怎麼辦????

jay
haha
2009/01/01 13:56
 

以半阿扁標準 嚴辦李慶安 以現況 他有逃亡與竄改事證嫌疑

再者 當年她舉發陳師孟的事實 他應對國籍相關法規知之甚詳 什麼不黯國籍法的狗屁說法 不合邏輯

我要是法官 一定至少判她10年以上的重刑 我要是檢察官 我現在一定就起訴她了 且提出收押禁見的要求

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