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It is a brilliant debate between two heavy-weight scholars. As much as my comprehension could reach, there is a difference between "use the heart of a villain to judge the heart of a gentleman" and "not putting yourself in someone elses shoes" of the American foreign policies toward other countries, especially China.

It is pity that there is no translation on the film, not even English captions. The Tang/Chen talk show about the debate may help you.

24.09.23【觀點│正經龍鳳配】大師的激辯：美國為什麽這麽好鬥？ (youtube.com)