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美国犹他州车祸多名中国公民伤亡 当地征集中文志愿者  2019年09月21日  来源:新华网 (参与记者:刘阳、孙丁)【编辑:李明阳】  
视频:中国旅游团在美国遇翻车事故  来源:中国新闻网
  
美国犹他州车祸造成多名中国公民伤亡 当地政府征集中文志愿者帮助
  新华社洛杉矶9月20日电(记者高山 谭晶晶)美国犹他州布赖斯峡谷国家公园附近当地时间20日中午发生严重车祸,造成多名中国公民伤亡。中国驻美国大使馆第一时间启动应急处置机制。当地政府发出呼吁,征集中文志愿者前往提供帮助。
这张犹他州高速公路巡警9月20日提供的照片显示的是美国犹他州布赖斯峡谷国家公园附近的车祸现场。 新华社发(犹他州高速公路巡警供图)
  犹他州高速公路巡警表示,事发时旅游大巴正在前往布赖斯峡谷国家公园的路上,车上共载有30人。车祸造成至少4人死亡,12人至15人重伤,10人伤势较轻。伤者被陆续送往犹他州南部的多家医院。
  事发地加菲尔德县警方说,这辆旅游大巴在朝东行驶时偏离道路,撞在路旁护栏上。美国国家运输安全委员会表示,正派遣人员前往调查事故原因。
  中国驻美国大使馆当天发表声明说,大使馆对此高度重视,第一时间启动应急处置机制,正与美国警方核实事故具体情况,公使衔参赞兼总领事钟瑞明已率工作组赶往事发地看望伤者并了解情况。
  犹他州州长加里·赫伯特当日在社交媒体上对事故遇难者表示哀悼,并对赶往现场参与救援的人员表示感谢。加菲尔德县地广人稀,当地政府已发出呼吁,请求会说中文的志愿者前往医院提供帮助。南犹他大学在一份声明中表示,该校孔子学院正在协助美国执法机构开展相关工作,已派出4名师生前往协助翻译和识别工作,其他师生也处于待命状态。
  警方在车祸发生后封闭了事故路段。一家华人旅游公司的旅游团被堵在现场附近。该公司工作人员蒂姆在电话采访中告诉新华社记者说:“车祸现场非常惨烈,旅游大巴破损、变形严重,现场来了很多救援车辆以及4架直升机把伤员运走。”
  蒂姆说,根据他在现场看到的情况,伤者基本都是老年人,很多是夫妇。车祸后,一些高龄幸存者惊吓过度,神志不清。
布赖斯峡谷国家公园景色独特,每年吸引大约200万名游客,也是吸引众多中国游客的美国主要国家公园之一。
--from what i saw the marks on the road and the damaged bus(truck modified as bus) laying while the road in quite plain fields with partial 路旁护栏
it didnt tell the bus driver is serious wounded or died or else. 
i hope some reporters can make a photos to show the bus which side hit the 路旁护栏, the front head or left/right side got 护栏 scratches which can show the bus driving direction and coud be hit or avoid the other car on the left or right side(same driving direction) or 反方向.
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2019/09/29 10:36
脸书中国员工跳楼身亡,200华人聚集抗议 2019年09月28日 来源:观察者网 责任编辑:谢廖沙
当地时间19日中午,美国加州门罗帕克的脸书总部大楼外,38岁的华人男子陈勤(Chen Qin,音译),从公司顶楼一跃而下,当场死亡。随后,脸书发布了一份声明,确认死者是该公司雇员,并表示:“我们很遗憾,得知我们的一名员工在我们的总部去世。我们正与警方合作进行调查,并向员工家属提供帮助。”
据美国媒体CNBC 27日报道,因不满于脸书过于简单、公式化的回应,26日将近200名华人聚集在脸书公司总部外,要求“为陈勤伸张正义(Justice for Qin)”,有人甚至高呼“中国人的命也是命(Chinese lives matter)”的口号,督促脸书总部的高层回应民众诉求、公开调查此事。
有脸书前员工透露,陈勤可能因在脸书工作评级不佳而面临失业压力,因他没有绿卡,只是持有工作签证,所以他的美国的合法身份也岌岌可危。
目前,美国警方认定自杀,排除了他杀的可能。
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-09-29 10:37 回覆:
CNBC 报道截图
陈勤平时喜欢登山、徒步等户外活动,图自陈勤脸书账号
大批华人聚集 “为陈勤伸张正义”
组织抗议的志愿者之一比尔·杨说,“脸书需要告诉我们到底发生了什么,他上班时发生了什么”,同时控诉脸书工作环境恶劣。
一位参与集会的女士接受采访,称“陈勤是家里的顶梁柱,不会轻易放弃自己生命,肯定是遇到了巨大的困难”。另一位在场的女士告诉记者,这场集会的诉求就是“给我们更多的真相,以及给工程师们更好的工作环境”,以及为陈勤的家庭“争取物质上的帮助”。
另有在场男士表示:事情发生已经一周,美国当地媒体几乎没有报道,在脸书也几乎找不到相关信息。同时指责脸书正在“控制媒体”,有意封锁有关陈勤自杀一事的传播。
除了现场集会要求脸书出面回应外,当地华人团体还在推特等社交网站建立账号,发出更多、更有力的声音。
当地华人建立账号@Justice for Qin,推特截图
当地华人聚集,高呼“为陈勤伸张正义、为真相伸张正义”
一位男子在集会现场高呼“中国人的命也是命(Chinese lives matter)”,视频截图
据CNBC 报道,在26日的集会后,该公司发言人在27日发布一份声明,称脸书对陈勤上周自杀身亡的消息“感到悲伤”。并声称:在这段时间里,“我们正在尽我们所能来支持他的家人和亲人”。脸书发言人还表示,公司将聘用一位世界顶尖的自杀预防专家指导后续工作,并“为所有员工提供心理健康和自杀预防支持”。
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-09-29 10:37 回覆:
观察者网此前报道,陈勤今年38岁,1999级浙江大学毕业生,2011年到美国,在南加州大学攻读计算机专业硕士,毕业后留在美国互联网界发展,去年3月进入脸书工作。毕业于中国知名的浙江大学,又在世界著名高等学府南加州大学获得硕士学位,有着别人眼中这么好的工作,陈勤为什么选择了这样一种决然的方式来结束自己年轻的生命呢?事件引发网友大量讨论。
集会人士在脸书总部献花、并摆出“我们应得到真相”的标语,图自社交媒体
脸书前雇员揭露:工作高压或是陈勤自杀主因
9月23日,刚离职不久的脸书前日裔技术主管Patrick Shyu 通过Youtube 视频,讲述了事情的来龙去脉,称死者生前日夜工作,或因绩效考评、面临开除选择自杀。
Shyu 在个人频道TechLead 发表《脸书员工自杀事件》,讲述脸书内部恶劣的工作环境
在视频中,Shyu 批评了公司存在恶性竞争文化以及和与之相伴的高度压力,认为“陈勤的上司并没有信守承诺,而是在最新的季度评级中给了他一个不够理想的评级,这样的低评级让他无法换组。换不成组,陈勤就会被放入PIP(待努力)项目,这意味着他很可能被开除。而他没有绿卡,只是持有工作签证,所以他的美国的合法身份也岌岌可危。”
Shyu 还表示:“虽然我本不想谈论此事,但是脸书员工找到我,希望我能代表他们发声,因为他们已经被公司管理层禁言。”
Shyu 曾在谷歌、脸书担任软件工程师,目前是YouTube网红,主要制作揭露程序员生活内幕的视频,目前拥有50多万订阅者。他表示自己的消息来源是著名的公司内部匿名论坛Blind,只需有企业员工邮箱能够证明身份,就能够隐匿身份发言、评论。
对于华人团体团结一致为陈勤发声,微博网友表示十分支持,并认为脸书高层理应出面回应诉求,给“中国人一个交代”。
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-09-29 10:39 回覆:
it is really not worth to suicide but i admit it is very difficult for chinese to accept the real usa ugly face since long time brain washed and worship
by any kind usa 神话s in china/taiwan.
my 2nd brother already been sacrified by his blindly believed in usa 神话 and all our family members pay for him for many years without ending, and also relationship fell apart because of the endless huge burdon.
we never encourage any relatives in taiwan/china come to usa/canada.
so far only one kid insist came to Canada and  working in restaurants forever. Canada BC is a place for retiring but hardly for young kids working places.
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-09-29 10:40 回覆:
也有网友表示可惜,感概陈勤为什么不选择回国发展、“死磕绿卡”,这样真的值得吗?
--unfortunately if only if usa rotten politicians still anti-china and endless bloody wars then no chinese in usa is safe no matter you get 绿卡/passport or not. including my 2nd brother 42?, my spouse the white 58(2004),60(2006), 65-66(2011-2012), younger brother 59, and nephew at his 37.
however 2nd brother and nephew did 选择回 taiwan also got trouble because our taiwan rotten mjd.
i really expect one china comes soon so can save my nephew not becomes my sister's burdon again.
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-09-29 11:53 回覆:

my parents have 5 kids, only my eldest brother in taiwan sucessfully retired at 65 this year and 2? months after the consultant company cut down outside workers benefits because lack of jobs. but he is the one takes any kind projects including the finally one in very bad smelling site. 

i allured my spouse worked till his 69. before we married he told me his grandfather worked till 90. fortunately i never believe he can work that long but did plan retire at his 62 while Bush's bloody wars destroyed my plan until he told me can't work after 69.

my brother-in-law in taiwan should shut down his tiny company earlier but ran out their cash savings. Last year when i saw my sister didn't make hairs i was surprised. she used to make herself looking quite good.

my younger brother and his wife are smart and saving as much as they can but also enjoy trips, and 2 excellent kids got jobs. maybe 5 years later can tell without job.

蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-10-19 12:20 回覆:
被脸书开除的华人工程师:在硅谷,不敢失业两个月  新京报 10-15 新京报社官方帐号
9月26日,尹伊参加了为此前跳楼身亡的华裔工程师陈勤(音译)举行的抗议会。抗议会上,他将工牌扣在胸前最显眼的位置,并在现场接受了媒体采访。
...作为在职员工,尹伊参加了这场集会。而立之年赴美求学、异域求职、漫长的绿卡排期,透过陈勤的境遇,尹伊看到了自己。抗议会现场,他身穿灰色T恤和浅色牛仔裤,接过麦克风,情绪激昂,带领人群高呼:“今天如果不做些什么,这种情况就无法改变,你们每一个人都是我们硅谷华人的希望。”
抗议结束后,尹伊被公司约谈、警告,在度过“惊心动魄”的一周后,他被正式解雇。...
--quite earlier i inquired my spouse: did he ever join 工会? he told me NO, unless you don't want to be manager and higher level positions.
one time i inquired him would he 加班 or bring works home? he said NO unless the boss told him.
ps 陈勤 didn't know usa is quite different from China/taiwan, the boss won't be appreciated his frequently 加班. if he understood then won't over work too much and then very frustrated to suicide.
after he became contractor, his boss tried hard to hire an experienced senior then my spouse warned him the HR care about health insurance cost and he better not against the can't tell rule if he want to keep his manager position. the boss listened.
when we had problem and wanted my spouse together to visit psychologist he turned down and told me better not have such records or very hard to get manager-level job.
for our retiring life consideration i can't but listen to him.
sometimes i thought we should apply social benefits, once again he seriously warned me never leave any bad records. even when he was qualified to apply unemployee benefits he was forced by me 3 months later.
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-10-19 12:21 回覆:
According to his opinion the best way is the little records the better and stay away any usa government involved.
how usa police disarm anti-wars in usa? threaton them either quit or police would write "comments" in their police records and then can't borrow money nor get decent jobs.
before you are hired most companies would verify your police records as background checking.
今天如果不做些什么,这种情况就无法改变?
--it is called "神话", won't happen to you.
usa hardly can be changed nor improved. it is called the way usa is.
i fought for "神话" many years but last couple years i accepted my spouse advice--the way usa is.
it is not easy for chinese, even today when we received a letter from my spouse eye doctor which should be free exam but forced to pay $55 and showing the scan photo was failed. i wanted him to call doctor office whether it is free or have to pay again.
my spouse got upset and answeared the incapable technician won't be responsible so no need to call just ignore.
we both are exhausted and no more fighting for "神话s".
my another advice is : never bring everything to usa, the best way is you have 2nd low-end skills such as house maintainence, car reparing, cooking, nurse-related, truck-driving... can bent down to take any kind jobs for surviving.
Last time my sister expected me to move CA nearby her son, i didn't and this year he lost job and returned taiwan.
this year my younger brother adviced me again to move CA or NY nearby his 2 kids.
I won't, because no job is secured in usa by endless wars especially powerful rotten politicians anti-china by all kind liars.
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-10-19 12:35 回覆:
美国这个动作 让世界看清它就是香港骚乱背后的黑手
--i would say usa rotten politicians themselves turn usa into un-safe places so no other countries can be allowed "safe". ths is why the whole world is worse and worse.

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2019/09/23 21:27
the driver is alive that can tell more what's the problem. the "restroom" is in front and turn right. i wonder whether driver knew or he can see when he saw "->restroom" sign. from the photos can't see there is right turn road until yesterday chinanews post more clearly.
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-09-23 21:37 回覆:

in taipei train/mrt station in certain place the signs also confused me everytime  and went wrong direction till inquired. in new taipei city mrt staions few of them also confused me.

the worst is some buses complex signs either waiting for the wrong direction or can't find. that spent me 4 hours because of that totally exhausted. 


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2019/09/22 16:06

中国旅游团在美翻车大巴系货车改装 低价团常用 扬子晚报 09-22 (宋世锋)

图为正要被送医的受伤游客。
车祸地点示意图。新华社发
图为事故车辆。

....有旅游业者称,该大巴是由货车改装的车型,费用低廉但安全性不好。...

...原因离奇:本报记者到过事发地,路况不错
扬子晚报/紫牛新闻记者今年春节期间曾经驱车从出事的路段走过,这条公路虽然不是很宽,但路况不错,路上车辆也不多。犹他州属于半干旱地区,日照比较强烈,降水量小,雨雾天气不多见,因此开车时视野很好。而从事故现场照片看,当天的天气状况不错。...

...调查人员表示,出事大巴司机不知什么原因偏离了车道,修正时可能方向盘打得太大,导致车辆翻滚后撞上护栏,倾覆后车身和车轮朝上。
从现场照片也可以看到,公路上有明显的翻滚痕迹,大巴似乎是横着滚到护栏上。...

警方当晚可以完成车祸现场勘察工作,不过还原车祸情况可能需要数周或数月时间。美国国家交通安全委员会宣布,将派一个10人小组于21日抵达车祸现场进行调查。

...连线知情人
南京游客曾和出事团在同一餐厅吃饭
南京游客曹先生乘坐的大巴车就在出事车辆的后面,不过行驶到事故地点时,那辆车已经翻了。
曹先生的旅游团和出事旅游团曾经在同一个餐厅吃过饭,听说他们是南京、上海和黑龙江的拼团,但没有和他们直接交流过。
曹先生告诉记者说:“我们离那辆车大概有400米吧,我们到的时候前面有几辆车,第一辆车离他们的大巴空了一大截距离,那时候已经翻车了。”
事故现场比较惨烈,曹先生团队的游客都没有下去看,导游去了解情况,结果被拉着当了翻译。
曹先生说:“我们团是南京的,计划18天的行程,车上除了导游,还有国内来的领队和旅行社的工作人员。出事大巴车上就一个导游兼翻译,重伤被救护车带走了,警察和那些人都语言不通,我们导游下去看为啥堵车,结果给他们当翻译去了。”
出事大巴由货车改装,低价团经常使用
曹先生的车在路上被堵了两个小时,之后警察封路,所有车都回头了,他们当天的行程都被取消。
曹先生说,当时虽然还没有到布赖斯峡谷,不过导游说离布赖斯入口已经没有多远了。
曹先生告诉记者,出事的大巴车型蛮特别的。“之前我们吃过饭出门的时候,那个大巴就跟我们车停在一起,所以我才认识那辆车。”
去布赖斯峡谷的路上有很弯的路,但奇怪的是那辆大巴翻车的地方并不是弯道,“我们也纳闷车是怎么翻的”。

蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-09-22 16:06 回覆:
据了解,出事的中型大巴是2017年的福莱纳M2106型卡车改装,这辆车并没有不良记录。据洛杉矶有多年开大巴及导游经验的胡先生介绍,货车改装的中型巴士,车内座位大多是15个至37个,最大的型号可承载47人。
有一位美加旅游从业者也告诉记者,出事车辆是用货车头后面加装车厢座椅改的大巴车,俗称“牛头车”,优点是抗极端天气和地势能力强,造价便宜。这种车没有统一型号,可以根据客户要求进行定制,缺点是舒适性和安全性较差,因为货车的设计要求本来就低于大客车。
这种车空间小,行李舱位于车尾,而非像普通大巴那样在下面。由于是用卡车改装,驾驶室和客舱不是一体的,会有明显的焊接或隔断。
上述旅游业人士称,这种大巴一般用于机场酒店穿梭巴士,但是在华人旅行社中很普遍。类似二三十人的旅游团如果租用正常的56座大巴,费用会很高,所以有些地接会改成这种中型大巴,费用可以降低三分之一甚至更多。
胡先生则推测,该团应是由洛杉矶当地的地接公司接待,为了节省成本使用了中型巴士;使用中型巴士的大多都是低价团。
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-09-22 16:22 回覆:

...调查人员表示,出事大巴司机不知什么原因偏离了车道,修正时可能方向盘打得太大,导致车辆翻滚后撞上护栏,倾覆后车身和车轮朝上。
从现场照片也可以看到,公路上有明显的翻滚痕迹,大巴似乎是横着滚到护栏上。...

--that means what we saw the bus, police already turn the bus back that 车轮 on the ground. and just next to the sign "-> restroom" that can explain why looks like 护栏? bus the sign 护栏 and obviously the bus didn't hit  护栏 right in the beginning.

however the "mark" on the road ground from different photos i saw also not the same shape which quite strange either.

蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-09-22 16:28 回覆:
i wonder wheter reporters can get before police moved the bus photos which 倾覆后车身和车轮朝上 that can prove what i thought the bus didn't get  护栏  scratches.

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2019/09/22 01:14

my spouse told me  in usa truck can be modified as bus and is legal that usaually much safe than normal bus in certain dangerous area or special road condition.  

蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-09-22 04:11 回覆:
     曲线
  反方向 方向^
|     |     | car accident    
|     |   scratch mark   by 车顶? roll over?
|     |   dcratch mark
|     |   scratch mark
|     |      tail
|     |  left "-> restrooms" sign
|     | head|路 stop
|     |     |旁
|     |     |护
|     |     |栏
大巴偏离公路撞上护栏??
--didn't looks like that but car accident then 滚动? scratch the road then stop by 护栏 and the sign "-> restrooms" which no damage
the "-> restrooms" is very confusion and
very easy cause car accident.
LEFT SIDE DAMAGED BADLY didn't see the 护栏 caused scratch or dent
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-09-22 04:19 回覆:

车顶严重塌陷 DOWN DEEP IN MIDDLE

--can't see what possibly caused it but some heavy "stone" from up hit the top of bus.

nearby driver seat door the left side has a bit dent caused by 撞上 or scratched by 护栏? not convince me.

蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-09-22 05:02 回覆:
    方向 反方向^  曲线
路|       |        |
旁|       |        |
护|       |       |
栏|       |       |    
护| HEAD hood poped up, driver seat on the road 
栏|
 RIGHT SIDE no scratch  车顶严重塌陷  
TAIL ok
  |合 mark|     |
  |并 mark|     |
  |     |     |     |
  |     |     |     |
蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-09-22 05:15 回覆:

very bad design that post  "-> restrooms" sign and 2 lane merge into one lane too close.
not surprised if car accident also happened before.

it could be the bus did turn right to restrooms, after the driver and tourists done restroom, the driver came back to road then accident happened so the car back moved till the sign.

didn't look like the bus 撞上护栏 then turned around.

蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-09-22 05:31 回覆:

very bad design that post  "-> restrooms" sign

--if the front of  "-> restrooms" sign still have 护栏 then the design is very badly and make the accident even more weird.  

蝙蝠(amtrak) 於 2019-09-22 17:05 回覆:

i expect reporters tell us where is the restrooms? that  "-> restrooms" sign  then right lane split into 2 right lanes (方向^).  could the bus turn over cause the top in middle deeply dent? from the mark on the ground didn't match.

another if the driver still alive (seems not) whether he made mistake that tried to across right lane to left lane(反方向) ?