M says:
剛看了您的新文章，正在想如何回應，但又被您和秋水之間的激烈對話有點嚇著了..............
M says:
my heart surrenders　翻成「任由擺佈」跟我理解的有些出入
M says:
我以為是「我的心歸於平靜」，在心跳加速後又歸於平靜。
G says:
任由擺佈 任由"自然" 去擺佈
G says:
一種讓人去自我思索的用法
G says:
it is hard because surrender means a few things that I found it was not easy to express in chinese
G says:
in the western culture,
G says:
my heart surrender, usually indicates "let it go"
G says:
"let the spiritual power to lead your mind, to lead your behavior"
M says:
但中文只是「任由擺佈」，有時是負面意思　
G says:
I know, and same as surrender in normal American's mind. Could you find a better words to express it? That shows you why I don't usually write in Chinese, easier to mis-lead people.
G says:
I remember in the past, certain poem would definitely need guidance to read
G says:
I did try to use "不再掙扎" but didn't look good.
M says:
您可否將中英文詩句整理在同一篇文？您想找的貼切譯法，或許我明天再答覆您。
G says:
Thank you. But I won't do it. They are seperate articles.
G says:
good night
G says:
or, you are still working?
M says:
您和秋水好像是舊識，盡量說悄悄話，是否較妥？
G says:
no, we might be, I don't know
G says:
there are things I wrote down that might help a few others too
G says:
I respond to his whatever he uses:
G says:
if he uses public, I reply in public,
G says:
if in private, I use private
G says:
he needs lot of discussions, and he sometime want himself to be heard
M says:
看得出來
G says:
unless you mean I am hurt by this also
M says:
怕會留下不必要的蛛絲馬跡或是讓人不明就裡而有所誤解　
G says:
I did try to explain to those who care about that conversation
G says:
more than five people think we are fighting, but I felt it was healthy discussion
M says:
我是不太想看您們那些對話，看了很傷神的，但偏偏您們又是一來一往的，讓人很容易陷進去閱讀
G says:
that is right, human nature, I expect that
M says:
您是ok的，秋水就有點攪亂一池春水
G says:
that is right
G says:
this is most people's response
G says:
just leave it as is
G says:
this is interesting, why peopel even try to figure out, or try to understand something they are clueless?
G says:
this is what I try to show to them.
G says:

let's talk poem more constructive
G says:
In that poem, you have to digest the whole thing together, and slowly.
M says:
那詩寫得極好！詩，很難一句句去翻譯解釋，因為讀的人的生活經驗和心理狀態會有不同感受
G says:
in my poem, I wrote down so many positive words
M says:
等等我，我必須先找到畫面
G says:
a good reader should not feel any negative
M says:
I am not a good reader
G says:
sometime, your efficiency would hurt you
G says:
at least I am helping you to understand better, right?
M says:
的確！謝謝您再次提醒
G says:
you are a great reader for something straightforward, but not in this kind of implications
G says:
I believe 99% of "normal" people will read this poem wrong
G says:
I was so happy with all the responses, take 素心's message an example
G says:
當小羊兒要回家找不到路時，這時候牧羊人必須扮演導航，點着燈火的腳色步是嗎?
M says:
被您發現了，我不是那麼愛讀城邦上發表的詩，尤其是有些人的詩是有些無病呻吟強說愁，但您是不同的
G says:
That's ok. We both have something we need to improve. Back to the message. Isn't her message great, I really like her, and this was the first time she commented my work
G says:
you are right about your feelings. But to me if I want to write a poem, I want to write something worth reading. But, when I write other articles, like diary, sometime even I get confused. Poem is different, it means art to me.
G says:
淚痕飄渺的金髮記憶 mean I believe our culture is way better than theirs, the western's. even I tried to survive here, but actually I am doing my way, the Lau-Tze, the Zen's way

M says:
沒錯，您是一個很特別的人，有西方人的效能，但有一顆很東方的哲理的心
M says:
我喜歡兩句：我的心自動導航　　星光藏盡真理與良賢　所以您的心才會任由擺布
G says:
that is right
G says:
"耀目的星, 快樂的星, 暗黃的星, 微不可見的小星星," actually lead to that kind of feelings, because people usually just think stars are stars, but actually, there are so many different kinds of stars, especially in the mid-night sky
M says:
星星的亮度是有等級的，您的觀察入微
G says:
That is actually not that special. Many people are better than me. ：琉璃帳 and 夏子 for examples. These two are great. Maybe one day I will start to write about my Aerospace experience.
G says:
stars are like everything happen in our lives,
G says:
Ok, another part is also interesting. "Yvecourt Rouge 紅酒" the best red wine I had in the past couple years, reasonable price, and great taste
M says:
再說清楚一點
G says:
which part, the wine or star part
M says:
stars are like everything happen in our lives？

G says:
we are blinded because we pre-define many things before we even undestand what we see, or experience (see listen to your heart)
G says:
we have to be open to every single thing happen in life, not choose what to see or hear
G says:
but we need to have the heart to judge
G says:
this is how you learn things
G says:
that is also why at the beginning, the heart really needs to be surrendered
M says:
心的價值與方向就必須掌握得極好，您的心才能任由擺布
G says:
maybe we need to post this chat also
G says:
it is getting so meaningful again
G says:
that is correct
G says:
so, you see, my mind auto-pilot, right?
M says:
您是自動導航了，但我苦苦難追啊
G says:
that is why you need to let your mind to drive, not your value system, your education, your environment, or even your happiness
M says:
等等，這當中仍有迷思
G says:
ok
G says:
explain to me
G says:
maybe there is
M says:
任何事都能 let your mind to drive？如果心志不是有智慧在引導，那樣是會出事的！
G says:
that is why you need a shepherd
M says:
我不覺得，心外求法，自己永遠不能做自己的主人
G says:
that is why you need a shepherd
M says:
我說的是先讓自己有「覺知」，才能任由擺布，就像您詩中前半所體驗的，並非每個人都能達到那樣的境界，達不到時就任由擺布，是有點危險的。我覺得接下來您要多寫寫您如何能做到自動導航吧。
G says:
yes, agree
G says:
But it is also part of the poem
M says:
詩的領略，要有智慧，請可憐可憐我們這些智慧不如您的人吧
G says:
No say that.  The truth is always simple.  When you put on the "noise cancellation"
G says:
you start to get the right thing to yourself.  You feel that in your heart certain things are helpful to your personal growth and personal happiness
G says:
That is why you need to read this kind of poem slowly and carefully
G says:
It starts with the wine.
G says:
So many people go for expensive wine,
G says:
but to me, I really want to find what are best for me. By the way, people know me know I don't usually drink, especially in the airplane
G says:
so, if I write down the wine, they know it means something special
M says:
願聞其詳
G says:
lots of people, especially the rich one, love to boast about how expensive their wines are
G says:
to me, this Yvecourt 紅酒,cost only $9 euro, but was the best taste wine among all the red-wine I had in the past 10 years
M says:
滋味好在哪？是您個人偏好？還是公認的看法？
G says:
my personal opinion, of course, wine is like movie, it is all about personal favor
G says:
that was what I tried to say! I know what I like, what I want, everyone should do the same
G says:
Yvecourt 紅酒, is a Bordeaux wine
G says:
usually big, earthy and heavily oaked
M says:
所以您提紅酒，也是要借它隱喻不要去追逐世人編織的真理，要相信自己內心的感受？
G says:
that's right,
G says:
you can try to look at the wine in the internet, otherwise I can explain to you
G says:
wines, go with food, and season,
G says:
Yvecourt 紅酒, is the best wine I had last summer during one of the greatest meal in France
M says:
我從清境帶回半打葡萄酒，可能因為它有特別的記憶，喝起來滋味特別好
G says:
it is combination of different grapes, Merlot, Cabernet Sauvignon, and Cabernet Franc
G says:
the taste was refreshing
G says:
that is also true,
G says:
the wine served on our table were special brewed for the restaurant
G says:
Yes you like it because you felt the "用心"
G says:
wines, I can go forever for it
M says:
不知道台北有沒有賣，我一定要去找一瓶來品嚐看看，或許因為今夜一席對話，相信我喝它時滋味也會不同
G says:
and I am not a wine lover, only drink it when I have to
G says:
hey, it is a summer wine
G says:
and it taste the best with Pork Loin
G says:
barbecue flavor Loin,
M says:
恕我無知，什麼是 summer wine？
G says:
the wine you drink in summer
M says:
所以不是您最近在機上喝的？
G says:
Just analogy, ok.  If I want to drink wine in the airplane, I drink my own wine
G says:
airplane wines are poison
M says:
第一次聽人這麼說
G says:
they don't taste good, and they are not bottled properly,
G says:
Plus, drining wine in the airplane is a not healthy thing.
G says:
Yes, your body need lots of water in the airplane, and wine will help your body to circulate, and lose water
G says:
don't drink in the airplane. I drink only when I really try to sleep and can not.  Only good wine does it.
M says:
我從不喝酒，在機上
G says:
good, no need to explain, though.,
G says:
Another classical part of the poem is actually on the Acheeans and Muse
M says:
說說看
G says:
Acheeans, in Greek history are always bad guys
G says:
they are nordics, and invaded to sourthern Europe
G says:
So, in the Greek mist, they priased Apollo for killing the Acheeans
G says:
I don't know how much more time I have
G says:
this is the reality
G says:
every culture will consider the other culture bad,
M says:
下次再聊吧，我也該睡了，睡前這樣思想奔馳，不知道會不會失眠？
G says:
sorry
G says:
just keep the picture in your mind.
G says:
it is pretty, isn't it
G says:
you should feel calm
G says:
the sky and the airport
M says:
美極了，配上德布西的音樂，非常喜歡！
G says:
It is the feeling you should end up with
G says:
you have good taste
G says:
even with music
M says:
您在讚美您自己吧！有人這麼說的
M says:
我常一邊工作時，一邊放您首頁的音樂，清澈奔放，感覺很好。
M says:
必須跟您說晚安了！
G says:
oh, I changed that already, by the way.