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電小二
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2009/08/03 12:01
Dear 阿卡迪亞(martinique)

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HCC
2009/07/30 12:08

Judging from your response, I don't think you've understood anything that I've said so far.  If this is how you want to proceed, continuing this discussion is futile.  If you are not interested in listening, then I don't see any point in continuing. 

The truth is out there.  Unfortunately it does not appear that you are ready or willing to see it. 

阿卡迪亞斯基(martinique) 於 2009/07/30 12:50 回覆:
您已經決定布希是壞人,不管怎樣都是他的錯,而且不能證實的時候就想辦法解釋成他的錯。因此,目前我只看到你的感覺,猜想,和推論,還沒看到事實。

換句話說,「布希是壞人」是你立論的根據,你說的一切都從這個根據出發。但對我來說,那是一個假設性結論,我不排除那個可能性,但是必須要有足夠的資料支持才行。很遺憾到目前為止,我一個證據都沒有看過。

我上一個回應就說過了,我對事實有興趣。若您有布希說謊的證據,敬請指點,小弟洗耳恭聽。

HCC
2009/07/29 11:21

Again: that goes back to my very first point:

Either:

(1)   Bush did not know the intelligence was false, or

(2)   Bush knew the intelligence was false. 

If it was (2), that means Bush lied. 

If it was (1), that means there was an enormous intelligence failure. 

Either way, Bush is responsible.  I am not sure which one is worse but either is pretty bad.  Yet, I have not seen Mr. Bush taking responsibility for either lying or relying on false information to go to war against a sovereign country. 

I do have evidence to suggest that Bush knew that the intelligence was false.  In fact there is evidence to suggest that the neo-cons have been planning for another war against Saddam ever since 1991, that Wolfowitz and other DOD officials have already planned for a war when Bush Sr. did not approve it, and that the Project for New American Century was the mastermind behind this all.  If you are interested I could consider writing separately to address this issue (the reply here is limited to 2,000 words). 

阿卡迪亞斯基(martinique) 於 2009/07/29 12:11 回覆:
「因為不知道布希有沒有說謊,所以布希要負責任。」

這是你的邏輯。你自己看得懂嗎?

一樣的話我就不再重複了。如果您有布希刻意說謊的證據,我有興趣,請附原文連結即可,不需要多寫。


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HCC
2009/07/28 11:08

Of course the intelligence concerning the WMD was false, and there is reason to believe that Bush knew of its falsity (remember the piece about Saddam acquiring uranium from Africa?  Yeah, that was false).  To put it simply: Mr. Kim of North Korea openly admitted that he has WMDs – and what did Bush do?  Nothing.  In fact, Bush declared that North Korea is no longer a state sponsor of terrorism or an enemy of the United States.

Iraq, at most, had chemicals and biological weapons.  North Korea, on the other hand, has nuclear – as well as the means to deliver it – through its Taepodong missiles.  (Iraq did not).  Yet, it was the Bush administration who okayed a visit to Pyongyang by the New York Philharmonic.

Which one was a greater threat to the U.S.?  Why did Bush decide to resolve the North Korea situation via diplomacy through six-party talk, but chose to “go it alone” with Iraq? 

I think you will agree: the WMD issue was never a real issue.  It was a mere smokescreen to cover the true reason for the war. 

A few more things:

(1): Bush may not have personally gained from the war.  That does not mean the war was the right choice. 

(2): A 50% rate of error means that it is wrong half of the time.  There is no point in relying on this kind of % when you can do the same by flipping a coin.  Again, North Korea 100% has WMDs.  Bush did nothing.

(3): The Bush administration was the one advocating for the war based on the post-9.11 sentiment.  The American people did not ask for a war – it was the government who falsely led the people with false intelligence. 

 Funny you mentioned “brainwash by the media.”  That would seem to be more appropriately addressed to someone who is still in the dark of the truth behind the Iraq war. 

阿卡迪亞斯基(martinique) 於 2009/07/28 12:17 回覆:
平壤是另一回事,不要混在一起。我認為布希當年對北韓應該要慎重考慮發射導彈摧毀北韓飛彈設施。

你相信布希有理由知道毀滅性武器情報是假的?不知道是什麼樣的資料讓你有那樣的結論?還是你自己想當然耳?

在邏輯上,那是一個可能的推論之一,還是非得那樣不可的唯一解?

MWD不是個問題?那兩架撞上世貿的飛機是不是問題?911還不夠讓你警覺有人認真的想要摧毀美國,那要怎樣才夠?

戰爭對不對可能永遠都沒有人知道。美國當年受到911影響,有74%的民眾支持是開戰,是伊戰開戰的主因,當年在國會裡連民主黨都支持。戰爭可能對,可能錯,當時沒人知道。布希和美國民眾當年做了一個選擇,就應該為自己的決定負責。因此我看不慣媒體還有大眾(包括你)一面倒罵布希,那非常不公平。

50%是一個假設的狀況。打或不打,那是一個選擇,每個選擇都有其可能結果,和該結果發生的機率(其實人生哪一件事不是這樣?)。當年海珊跟UN調查團大玩捉迷藏,讓MWD可能性無法消除,這個因素不要忘記。

直到目前,不相信「布希為了石油打伊拉克」這句話的人屈指可數。儘管美國公司沒有任何一家拿到伊拉克石油合約,但是因為偉大的媒體新聞沒有怎麼報,所以大家還是相信「布希為了石油打伊拉克」。大眾被媒體洗腦是事實,不是我編的。

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2009/07/27 12:10

我送來微笑

.^_^." 希望您每天都有開心笑~

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2009/07/27 11:17
Dear 阿卡迪亞(martinique)

特前來恭喜您所發表「大象拼經濟」一文,已經登上聯合新聞網首頁,意見評論|城邦論壇,歡迎有空前往觀看。^_^

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2009/07/27 10:53
Dear 阿卡迪亞(martinique)

特前來恭喜您所發表「歐總統的警察故事: 被罵種族歧視的麻州警察」,已經登上聯合新聞網首頁新聞頭條區網評,此推薦是利用轉址的方式直接連結到您的內容。

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HCC
2009/07/26 14:29

I just now read your reply, and, contrary to your assertion, I don’t think you understood my point at all. 

You think I am saying that oil companies benefitted from the war – but that’s not what I was saying at all.  Instead, I am saying that Bush made a very serious, very material misrepresentation – that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.  He was able to mislead the public opinion into thinking that America was in jeopardy and needed to protect herself, thereby persuading the public to go for the war.  And, we all know that was false – so either he was relying on false information, or, he knew the information was false but spread it to the public anyway. 

Your reply made no mention of that whatsoever. 

And I am disappointed.

Email:hcchang@lawtx.com
阿卡迪亞斯基(martinique) 於 2009/07/27 13:14 回覆:
你認為布希當時認為他的毀滅武器情報是真的還是假的?是情報品質不良,還是你認為那是布希自己捏造的資料?布希誤導美國人,為什麼?打仗對他有什麼好處?

如果你當時是美國總統,看到伊拉克有毀滅武器情報,準備用來對付美國,請報有50%可能是錯的,請問你會怎麼做?

美國人當時要打仗就支持布希,現在反悔了就說是被他騙了?幹嘛都是小孩子嗎?因為「被騙了」,所以做錯事就沒有關係嗎?

你已經被媒體洗腦了好幾年,到現在還不願意承認這個痛苦的事實,當然會失望。

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2009/07/23 14:50
Dear 阿卡迪亞(martinique)

特前來恭喜您所發表「美國全民健保草案簡介:之一,政府擴張」一文,已經登上聯合新聞網首頁,意見評論|城邦論壇,歡迎有空前往觀看。^_^

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2009/07/10 22:34
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