andylyn  先生：

所謂統派，是拋棄與中共對立、敵視的態度，轉為和好、交流、合作的態度。即使贊同統一，也是在一國兩制下，並非願意接受中共直接統治，並非把中共那一套搬到台灣，並非要廢棄台灣的民主。

您翻來覆去總是把<選舉存廢>的議題呶呶不休，全無誠心論理之意，看來我高估您了！以為您真誠單純，以至於死心眼不會轉彎。您其實是居心惡毒，蓄意把統派打成支持專制反對民主，把統派描繪成支持邪惡反對正義的形象。
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abcteddy 先生的英文回覆是給 hu-mo 先生和那條蛆虫，與您無關。

別胡亂放槍。

徐百川(們)

如果你的心證是台灣人不適合民主選舉的話,那接下來的新黨選舉,新黨候選人的競選活動,你們可以閉嘴了,投票這件事跟你們無關!還是你們一面投票支持自己的候選人一面"幹譙"民主不好?選舉快到了,小弟等著看笑話,<一張票一世情>這種話,等你們講了!

范蘭欽敢不敢在自己的帖子裡說,台灣的選舉該廢掉,然後用共產黨的選舉?應該不敢,這種帖子天怒人怨,跟帖發發牢騷可以,當做"主張"發主帖,大概會被人用口水淹死,不然的話,你們可以把對我的主張的批評,轉成自己的blog主帖發出來,說因為民主是最高價值會養出希特勒,所以民主選舉該廢掉,你們敢嗎?

小弟的一問一答本來有三個問題,沒人陪我玩,還是把問題發出來有個始終--1<台灣選舉>該不該廢除?2<身分認同>應不應該有排他性?3<解放軍史觀>應不應該是新中國史觀的支撐?

<台灣選舉,身分認同,解放軍史觀>是小弟的三個問題,大概也是沒人答了,起碼那個講英文的不敢回答我"身分認同應不應該排他?"的,身分認同應該排他,用英文來質疑講中文的就是笑話了,記住小弟是不贊成排他的,小弟不贊成的只是---雙重標準!

你們有任何主張的自由,不過自由可否質疑別人的"忠誠"?起碼,我可以反質疑吧?質疑別人的忠誠之前,先把自己的立論站好,切莫雙重標準卻不自知!

To hu-mo,

Fine, you can say whatever you want. But honestly I dont really mind cause it is not True. Why not go to AIT's website to check what the US says. That matters. For your convenience, I would like to post part of it here as follows.

2.The United States of America recognizes the Government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legal Government of China. Within this context, the people of the United States will maintain cultural, commercial, and other unofficial relations with the people of Taiwan.

7. The Government of the United States of America acknowledges the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China.

Is that clear ? If you still stick to your opinion after reading the official statement, make an appointment with a shrink. That'll be the best thing you can do 4 yourself.

BTW, you said libya & taiwan are different animals, did u? so what animal do u want to be? Monkey I guess.

well, since Luke is off today, here's my take...

i think your mind is screwed by mentioning and comparing Libya to Taiwan, the two are totally different animals.

taiwan has been under US protection for 60 years, it does not belong to china. the world has one taiwan and one china, one japan and one US, like it or not taiwan's future is in the hand of US and it's not gonna change any time soon.

china can say or claim anything they want, that means nada, zero, and absolutely nothing.

in the eyes of US, taiwan is encouraged to self-rule, preferably a democratic way, the US won't allow taiwan to lean too close to china or to claim independent.

taiwan and ROC both are not a country, taiwan is a US control territory, ROC doesn't exist in international society. Remember Ma introduced himself to Mrs. Clinton as "I'm the president from Taiwan", see why he said Taiwan not ROC?

ROC is not a country because it has no sovereignty over taiwan, it has no land, a country has no land is not a real country, that's why some called ROC a 流亡政權，they are right!

any more question?

To luke koolhead,

In your point of view, taiwan is a puppet state of the US. America is obligated to protect it?

But you appear to have totally grabbed the wrong end of the stick. Does the US really value taiwan？The short answer is No. The general principle American do things is for their own interests. That means they wouldn't scarcrifice their own national interests for other countries. Taiwan is just a bargaining chip America deal with Chinese mainland. Maybe taiwan is also an ideal place where american hardsell something they dont really need it like old weapons. Lol. As for the safety of Taiwan, that is taiwanese's business. American never give a shit. Don't forget Goddafi, the America-backed former Libyan leader, now was ditched by the US  without hesitation. That is just one of many examples American did in the past. Taiwan wants to be the next Goddafi? Think about it.

你們以為台灣是中（米田共）國的， 鳥都沒有！

台灣是由美國支配的一個地方， 不信嗎？

如果不信， 那請問為何美國不賣武器给海南島？

To luke koolhead：

說蛆話的人，才是米田共國的人。

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andylyn“浮爛”地張貼咱中華民國“自由民主法治”的部分內容，或想援引西方民主世界的內容，對於這些，事實上凡是受過中學教育的人都知，足見企圖低估他人的智商。

他所提及的《民主論點及內容》，可以說幾乎全部出自於"咱們"所教導的內容，可謂是在孔老夫子面前班門弄斧，卻不知自己的淺碟行動。

§ 「多數決」的“自由民主法治”，並不是無條件的

簡單來說，

「多數決」的民主，能成立的「基本條件」是：

- 不可“欺師滅祖”搞日奴(=台奸)叛國

- 不可搞“納粹法西斯或毛澤東式的「多數決」自由民主”

更不可以“多數暴力”(無論是文鬥或武鬥)，行殘踏弱勢族群人權、或是搞破壞民主法治的集體「霸凌」行動！

※ 這些都是「普世價值」，一個民主法制國家能成立的「基本要件」！

● 事實是：綠營“多數決”的民主「基本要件」，無一樣能成立！

更遑論還「集體貪污掏空」！

綠營沒資格民主